Chrysler lay-offs

[Djaric]

 

[user=37]Djaric[/user] wrote:

[user=9]Beerlord[/user] wrote:

yeah, blame Iococca, don't blame people buying foreign cars.

What do you expect when you spend decades making an inferior product?  Yea they've turned it around in the last decade or so, but it just might be a little too late.  At least to continue as they were. 
Dont worry.  GM and Ford still have a good footing over seas.

Exactly, except for one point, they product would have to get a whole lot better before it could be considered "inferior".

Right now it's just shy of wallet rape.

Well I didnt quite mean inferior.  Actually I went back to edit it and the cable modem lost the connection. 

[Beerlord]

You want ot buy a foreign car fine, but you give up your right to bitch about American's losing their jobs. Just liek votig, you don't vote, you ca't comlain about the elected officials. Noth will ever make me buy a foreign car, as i stated before, the absolute worts cars i ever owned wer the 2 foreign one that i made the mistak of getting. Never again.

I repeat. You saying the 16,000 ohioans working for honda arent americans with jobs?


TomC

 

 

compared to how may workign for the big 3,

[bartok]

You want ot buy a foreign car fine, but you give up your right to bitch about American's losing their jobs. Just liek votig, you don't vote, you ca't comlain about the elected officials. Noth will ever make me buy a foreign car, as i stated before, the absolute worts cars i ever owned wer the 2 foreign one that i made the mistak of getting. Never again.

I repeat. You saying the 16,000 ohioans working for honda arent americans with jobs?

TomC

compared to how may workign for the big 3,

Sorry, but I just can't get into this kind of socialist thinking.  Everyone has their own individual opinion about the quality of the product, but analyzing the experience of market as a whole, in terms of quality the Japanese companies are doing great and the big 3 can't keep up.  If you make the best product for the money, you deserve the business.  Otherwise, get off your ass and figure out how.

This is how we want the economy to work, isn't it?  Won't that get the most efficient product into the consumer's hands?  Won't that free up the most spending dollars to put into industries that Americans can work in that meet our needs, or put into our retirements, or for whatever we best see the use of our money?  Or do we just prefer inefficiency for it's own sake?

Sorry, but there's no free lunch, and no socialism here.  If you want my money, be prepared to earn it.  Tying up this labor force in a clearly inefficient and unsustainable industry (by their their own admission!) is ridiculous.  Free up those workers making inferior cars so they can get productive, sustainable jobs elsewhere.  That's the best for them, and that's the best for the American economy as a whole.

[discdog]

Basic economics. Demand and Supply, we demand a decent product for our dollar, they can't supply it. Every US auto manufacturer is on the ropes right now. In the next couple of years, we may not even have one. Don't think it can happen? Try & buy an american made tv,dvd, major household appliances, clothing, cigars. We have raised our children to believe that working with our hands is a bad thing, something "others" should do for us, we need to supervise and sit on out asses. With the dumbing of our youth for the last 50 years, its a wonder anything is still manufactured here. Of course, that is mostly being done by the baby boomers and we all know where they are headed shortly. Where does that leave mfg. then? In the capable hands of some other country, it won't be here.

And yes, Bush is correct, this is the most robust economic time since the 80's. Look at the stock market, it's at an all time high. There are very few companies that are not looking for employess, and can't find them. The auto industry has done this to themselves, including the workers. They get laid off, collect 75% of their income for  2 years and don't take advantage of the training programs available because they don't want to take a pay cut. Morons. Where do they think the $ is coming from? Every car lot you go to is loaded with vehicles they are having trouble moving. Almost half of the cars are from last year (here anyway) and what do they do, give us airconditioned seats and ADD $7,000.00 to the sticker. I'll stick with the Toyota and don't give any more thought to the auto workers than they've given to themselves for decades.

 

[sergione]

I have a Toyota...I had a Toyota....and will stick to them. I just dont see a ford or chevy going past 250k miles.....it can get me places and I dont have to worry about a thing plus it is less than half the price of an American car.

Im with skip, im as American as the next person but why should I buy something that I cant afford and wont last as long.....better cars will = more jobs.... so far nothing

[Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo]

You want ot buy a foreign car fine, but you give up your right to bitch about American's losing their jobs. Just liek votig, you don't vote, you ca't comlain about the elected officials. Noth will ever make me buy a foreign car, as i stated before, the absolute worts cars i ever owned wer the 2 foreign one that i made the mistak of getting. Never again.

I never btchd about Americans loosing their jobs in this circumstance. That doesn't mean I dont feel for them nor does it mean I don't understand, but I agree with all the comments above.

There is no solcialism here (or there shouldn't be). If Toyota figured out how to turn a handsome profit, then why not the big 3? With all of the gov's contracts... why not?

The issue is simple... Identify the problem and fix it.

[ColbyPants]

You want ot buy a foreign car fine, but you give up your right to bitch about American's losing their jobs. Just liek votig, you don't vote, you ca't comlain about the elected officials. Noth will ever make me buy a foreign car, as i stated before, the absolute worts cars i ever owned wer the 2 foreign one that i made the mistak of getting. Never again.

I never btchd about Americans loosing their jobs in this circumstance. That doesn't mean I dont feel for them nor does it mean I don't understand, but I agree with all the comments above.

There is no solcialism here (or there shouldn't be). If Toyota figured out how to turn a handsome profit, then why not the big 3? With all of the gov's contracts... why not?

The issue is simple... Identify the problem and fix it.

maybe because I am liberal minded, I would like to take a look at the conditions of the workers assembling autos in other countries for us before rendering a decision.  I mean I dont necessarily think these folks need pensions, and payed half days off like the person in Tonto's example, but I would hate to see that they are making less expensive products at the expence of the workers.  By contrast one of the biggest expense of the "Big Three" is legacy costs from pensions of retired workers living longer than they were supposed to.  Auto assembly is a decent middle class living, should have to save for you retirement just like I did.

TomC

[Rob The Long Island Cowboy]

Just my .02 but in this era of a global economy perhaps the problems lie not with the dodge and it's parts from mainland japan or your mitsubishi made in indiana but with a union whose time may have passed and is now putting impossible pressures on industry to continue.

[bartok]

Just my .02 but in this era of a global economy perhaps the problems lie not with the dodge and it's parts from mainland japan or your mitsubishi made in indiana but with a union whose time may have passed and is now putting impossible pressures on industry to continue.

If you're citing the initial cost of the product, then you may be right.  However, I think most consumers are willing to pay the added premium for Toyotas and Hondas in order to get more reliable vehicles.  Obviously the total cost of a vehicle is the combination of parts, labor, production energy cost, engineering, shipping, marketing, profit, etc.  I, for one, have no problem with the sticker price of American vehicles.  It's the post-purchase cost I can't afford.

[Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo]

Just my .02 but in this era of a global economy perhaps the problems lie not with the dodge and it's parts from mainland japan or your mitsubishi made in indiana but with a union whose time may have passed and is now putting impossible pressures on industry to continue.

 I, for one, have no problem with the sticker price of American vehicles. 

I do.

But that aside, I agree. If these lunatics would charge more for a clearly superior vehicle, there would be those who would pay it. Just like doctors and lawyers buy Mercedes and BMWs (well, I guess you can add sanitation workers and diner owners, etc etc etc...) But the cars stink. And for $40,000+ we want something that doesn't stink!