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BL Thats slightly true, but not the reason.
#1 - All the darn tree-hugging anti-smoking environmentalists out there have forced much industry out of the country. This didn't happen overnight. This has nothing to do with where your car was made. Sure, we have to watch the environment...but there needs to be a balance to keep industry here. GM cannot compete with a foreign company when we have unions breaking the bank, heavy environmental restrictions, and products that are mediocre in comparison. Basically too much overhead is going to equal low grade products at expensive prices.
#2 - Quality of the products. I'm sorry but many of the cars/trucks being produced by GM/Ford have issues. I'm not saying they are junk, but they do skimp on quality to get prices low and in the long run that hurts them. I prefer to buy a car every 5 years, versus 2 cars every 6 years due to poor quality/problems.
We ALL buy foreign items everyday. While it would be nice to say only buy American, its not even possible. More than half the products we use everyday are from outside the US. (including the fine cigars you smoke)
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Beerlord Wrote:when i have to explain everythign i feel like i'm talking to a bundh of brain injured people who just don't get it.
BL... You do not have to explain everything regardless where you think you stand or those with opposing views stand.
This is normal discussions for people with differing opinions.
Quite the contrary, one thing about SC I see quite a lot of highly educated and intelligent people here. Not a "BUNCH" of brain injured people. And if they don't get anything it is your point of view they are not getting. No better nor worse than you not getting theirs.
So if the discussion is becoming more than you can bare, walk away. It is not likely anyone here will sway anyone else to their side of the discussion anyway. It's just a forum to express your point of view. Hopefully intelligently and without insulting anyone.
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Beerlord Wrote:Tonto The Long Island Sidekick Wrote:BL...forgive me if I missed it earlier...but when you referred to "the Big 3"....which auto companies did you mean?
when i have to explain everythign i feel like i'm talking to a bundh of brain injured people who just don't get it.
Tom, yeah most american cars have some amount of foreign in them usually mexican, but even at 70% american parts they are still employing more americans than all teh foreing combined. gold ole roads are paved, speed limit is... argument, good thing your not into ay of those things cuz you coldnt' do them in a jap car cuz it would end up in peices.
like i said, buy your jap cars, don't bitch about americans losing jos or the enconomy sucking you are part of the problem.
could you please provide where you get your statistics from? All I know ishonda is fueling the economy in large parts of rural ohio, as all the american companies that were in the area were moving their manufacturing plants to other countries. Just anectodotal evidence, but it seems to me a job is a job. To the working class guy why should it matter where the tremendously rich person pulling the strings is from, as long as they invest in american labor. And I still dont see how this argument is supposed to discount the opinions of the 16000 oihioan honda employees just because they are employed by as company you disagree with. they are gainfully employed american citizens, their opinion counts just as much as yours.
but thats exactly my point, if I needed a car to go 140 miles an hour and ride off road I would consider a car with an american brand name. But I dont need that. If I need a car that is dependable and gets good gas mileage (and yes one that may be more enviromentally sound), I might consider something different.
TomC
PS full disclosure. I dont own a car, I walk most of the places I need to go, and car pool the rest.
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BL,
"bundh of brain injured people" does not fit our group. If you cannot contribute to the thread without blowing a vein, then don't post. We are all adults here and while there is come jabs from time to time, its IN fun. Let keep it that way.
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Beerlord Wrote:Tonto The Long Island Sidekick Wrote:BL...forgive me if I missed it earlier...but when you referred to "the Big 3"....which auto companies did you mean?
when i have to explain everythign i feel like i'm talking to a bundh of brain injured people who just don't get it.
Come on BL. We're all friends here, you don't need to blast Jan because he didn't know what you were talking about. I for one don't know either... Big 3?
I know I haven't been contributing to this debate but I enjoy reading your guys' arguments. It doesn't have to get hostile. 
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Rubie Wrote:It doesn't have to get hostile.
I got pretty darn hostile on my last american made car 
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Beerlord Wrote:yeah, blame Iococca, don't blame people buying foreign cars.
I read Iacocca's book last summer. I remember it being very popular in the mid-80's when I was a kid. The guy was on the cover of all the weekly magazines and people thought the world of him. I could be wrong, but I think a lot of people at Chrysler believe they owed their livelihoods to him, he is the one after all, who took them from the verge of collapse to being a viable company again. The book was very interesting in that you learned how he had a stellar career at Ford. He came up with the idea of the mustang and became the head of the company, he didn't have a lot of positive things to say about Henry Ford II, the guy who hapened to fire him and who kept stretching out the mustang and made it heavier than what Iacocca thought it should be.
If I remember correctly, Iacocca also reduced his salary and felt that if workers were asked to do some cutting back, that senior management should shoulder the burden as well. You have to respect a guy like that, too many times, a guy who wrecks the comapny sees their golden parachute sweetened. I don't buy the bunk that *merit* is universally a private sector trait. He didn't mention a lot about the unions, other than the fact that when they balked at his restructuring ideas, that he would remind them that the alternative was to close up shop entirely. He then heard back from them that they endorsed his plan.  I'd love to talk to some old Chryslter workers to hear their perspective on the guy though.
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when i hav eto explaing really obvious shit like thwat the big 3 are, it get really annoying, if we were having this conversation inperson i would talk r e a l s l o w just to make sure you were getting it, fuck it i'm done wiht this subject an for now with this forum see ya.
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Beerlord Wrote:when i hav eto explaing really obvious shit like thwat the big 3 are, it get really annoying, if we were having this conversation inperson i would talk r e a l s l o w just to make sure you were getting it, fuck it i'm done wiht this subject an for now with this forum see ya.
Thanks Beerlord...you really explain your points well. I never said anything personal, I just asked what you considered to be the "Big 3". I said...
"BL...forgive me if I missed it earlier...but when you referred to "the Big 3"....which auto companies did you mean?"
And that is how you respond??!!
I can only imagine how you treat your patients ..... how I feel so sorry for them, that they have to suffer through their ailments & also have to put up with someone like you.
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