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The Bush Stimulus Package.
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US_Tank Wrote:Well Tom in actuality the Treasury has been taking in dollars at record paces due to an increase of workers stemmed from the initial tax cuts.  Thus we just have more taxpayers paying in from employer withholdings.

Problem is that we have too much earmark spending and we are funding a war also.  But I think that the stimulus is just that.  Further stimulate the economy.  When you stimulate the economy you will create more jobs, which increases more money flowing into the U.S. Treasury.  My premise is that they are counting on this influx of current dollars to help fund this.

Just my .02 but it will cost you a buck!  Wink

The only fear with that is it HAS to work.  if spending/job creation for some reason does not grow, then the problem gets even bigger.

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#42
ColbyPants Wrote:
US_Tank Wrote:Well Tom in actuality the Treasury has been taking in dollars at record paces due to an increase of workers stemmed from the initial tax cuts.  Thus we just have more taxpayers paying in from employer withholdings.

Problem is that we have too much earmark spending and we are funding a war also.  But I think that the stimulus is just that.  Further stimulate the economy.  When you stimulate the economy you will create more jobs, which increases more money flowing into the U.S. Treasury.  My premise is that they are counting on this influx of current dollars to help fund this.

Just my .02 but it will cost you a buck!  Wink

The only fear with that is it HAS to work.  if spending/job creation for some reason does not grow, then the problem gets even bigger.

TomC
That's the point Tom. It didn't work in 01 or 03 and every analyst says it wont work now either. Things are different with the prices of food, energy and the theives that caused the subprime blowup. People are in debt so deap the money's not going to the registers cause it's already there. It will just be used to pay off the bills.
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#43
bartok Wrote:
Jimmie the Mum Wrote:Tax cuts are good for everyone. We all benefit one way or the other.
There is no tax cut being proposed.  They're just deferring the taxes so someone else can pay them down the line - probably you out of your retirement account, or your children.  To cut taxes, and not just delay paying them, you need to reduce spending.

I'm not saying this is the worst idea in the world, but a significant portion of this will be spent overseas, and not here.  And there are very few economists who think this will have any appreciable effect on the economy at all.  I view it as more election-year pandering than a serious attempt to address our problems.
I never said this was a tax cut but I do believe tax cuts help the economy, just a personal opinion after working on Wall St for 31 years.

The stock market certainly has approved this proposal and that alone is a good indication.

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#44
One concern of mine as someone said earlier is, where will the money come from?  Another question, why did it take so long? The economy has been in trouble for awhile. And I'm sure Bush and his Economic advisors saw this coming.
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#45
Nothing is easy, simple or clear if coming from the government we have now...

None of us will know a thing till signed, sealed and delivered. I hope it comes in time for the many losing their homes in Texas due to the ARM's. Foreclosures  high everywhere. 

Economy is tanking....we are no longer an industrial nation....we are an import country....the country's trade deficit is larger than recorded history of this young country we call the U.S.A. Sad but true, lost my career to these facts...
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#46
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2008/01/27/chernoff.stimulus.for.whom.cnn

Nice to see the news media targeting some real facts for a change.   Like I said before, that $800 check will not do much good for our economy.   About $500 will end up overseas because of what people will buy with the money, foreign made products.  

A partial solution...
They could FORCE all credit card companies, and all FDIC bank loans to drop a percent or two for the remainder of the loan.   While its a "slower acting stimulus", it would keep people from paying down on their cards and then ending up back in the same situation in another month or two.    Make the payments a little easier to handle and that money helps our economy instead of it being spent on an IPOD for someones grandchild.   The feds are almost on the right page by dropping the interest rates, but its not mandatory for creditors to drop their rates.    Most decent credit card companies do drop their rates, but some don't.   I personally know that Bank of America SUCKS, as well as all department store cards.  

Combine that with a smaller stimulus check, and you now have instant sales growth for the quick spenders of the free cash.   You also reduce some long term debt on loans.   In addition, since some interest on debt is tax deductable (home loans), the interest deduction there also helps reduce the end of year interest deduction from your taxes.   While you pay less interest and get less back, it helps the government recover from sending out that trillion dollars "early" to everyone.
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#47
AP
Stimulus Rebates May Come by Mid-May
Sunday January 27, 12:41 am ET
By Julie Hirschfeld Davis, Associated Press Writer



People Can Expect Rebates by Middle of May Under Proposed Economic Stimulus Plan

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Most taxpayers could expect a rebate of up to $600 starting in mid-May under the economic aid plan set to go through Congress within weeks.
Couples could get twice as much, with even more for most families with children. All that, however, depends on smooth sailing at the Internal Revenue Service, and the agency already is up to its eyeballs in filings and refunds.
The Treasury Department says that despite the strains of tax filing season, the IRS will be able to begin delivering the payments within 60 days after President Bush signs the plan into law, and complete the process in approximately 10 weeks, possibly sooner. The payments would come separately from regular tax refunds.
"The IRS has already begun trying to prepare for this," said Andrew DeSouza, a Treasury spokesman. "They'll be ready to go."
But figuring out if you qualify -- and for how much -- can be complicated, thanks to confusing rules designed to get the money to middle-income workers and ensure it also benefits low-income people who are most likely to spend the cash.
"Almost everyone who earns income will receive some benefit," said Douglas W. Elmendorf, an analyst at the Brookings Institution. "The idea is to target the money on the people who will spend a large share of it, and to target it on people who are likely to be hurt by an economic downturn."
People who do not make enough to pay taxes but had at least $3,000 in earned income would get $300. Those earning less than that would be disqualified, as would the wealthiest. Older people living solely off Social Security checks would not get the rebate.
Individuals with adjusted gross incomes of more than $75,000 and couples with income exceeding $150,000 would get smaller checks. Contributions to individual retirement accounts, 401(k) retirement accounts and health savings accounts would not count toward the limits.
About three-quarters of those eligible for the checks are working people. About one-quarter would qualify solely through pension or interest income, such as retirees or people who are unemployed. Eligible people would get at least $300.
For middle-class people, the rebates are fairly straightforward. Most individuals would get a $600 rebate, couples would get $1,200, and those amounts would rise with the size of their families. High- and low-income people, however, would get only a partial benefit.
People with income less than $75,000 would get a rebate equal to the taxes they paid in 2007, up to $600. Couples with income less than $150,000 could get up to $1,200. Those who earned more than $3,000 but owed little or no taxes would get a flat $300, or $600 per couple.
So a low-income family of four -- with $35,000 in income and virtually no tax liability -- would get $1,200. That includes the flat $600 per couple and $300 for each child.
A single person earning minimum wage would receive the lower rebate, $300.
A single parent of two with income of $38,000 and a tax bill of $433 would get $1,033 -- a $433 tax rebate plus $300 per child.
To focus the payments on middle-class people, the plan includes rules that reduce the rebates for those with higher incomes. For each $1,000 over the limit, the payment goes down by $50.
That means that while a family of four with income of $95,000 would get $1,800 -- $1,200 for the couple and $300 for each child -- a family of four with income of $160,000 would get less, and the same family making $200,000 would get nothing.
Income of $160,000 would put a family $10,000 above the income threshold, reducing the benefit by $500 for a rebate of $1,300. The wealthier family, which falls $50,000 above the threshold, would see its rebate vanish under the formula.
Similarly, a single person with no children who had $16,000 in income would get $600, while the same person making $85,000 -- $10,000 above the limit -- would get just $100.
People would not have to work to receive a rebate. A retired couple owing $4,000 in taxes would get the full $1,200; if they owed no taxes, they would receive only half that. If the couple earned less than $3,000, however, they would be ineligible. That includes 20 million older people whose only income is their Social Security checks.
The plan would allow people who do not qualify for a rebate this year to get one in the spring of 2009 if they become eligible based on their income level or tax liability in 2008. That has been a standard feature of past rebates, although it does nothing to stimulate the economy.
Some 40 million people who file their tax returns online could start getting payments by direct deposit in May. Congressional tax analysts say the government can send out up to 9 million paper checks a week. The IRS will have to reprogram its computers to calculate who gets the rebate and how much they will receive.
"They sort of learned how to do this last time," said Jason Furman, a Brookings economist, referring to the last round of rebates in 2001.
"It's definitely complicated if you're trying to understand it, but it's not actually going to be complicated for people because they're going to get a check from the IRS without having to fill out a single form."
Still, the agency is already working overtime processing tax returns, and rebates will have to take a back seat come April, when it will be overwhelmed in the run-up to Tax Day.
"The two final weeks of tax filing season are very, very high-traffic weeks for the IRS," DeSouza said. "We'll just have to see what capacity they can handle."
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#48
Will they take taxes out of my check? Taxed money taxed again WTF? I'd prefer blond bush in my face.
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#49
Just my view...

The housing market:  who bought the houses?  Did someone put a gun to the homeowners' heads and force them to buy houses at variable interest rates? No.

WE (taxpayers) now are bailing out certain homeowners because they made a very poor decision and it is effecting the market.  Why don't we all receive special services if we own a home???  Just because I bought mine within budget and managed my money correctly doesn't mean I should bail out someone that was stupid enought to overspend. Next,

The tax rebate:  I believe it will stimulate the economy, but I don't buy into the "drastic decline" like the media is spinning these days.  I think Bush was handed a declining economy.  He was implementing measures to bring it back, but then 9/11 struck.  We did not go into recession like all the experts predicted.  Bush may not be the best public speaker, but he sure did keep us out of a recession then, which most people could not have done!

The tax rebate will stimulate the economy to some extent, but the people receiving the money will have to decide what and where they need to spend that money.  It should come with no strings attached...why?  Because we are (or used to be) a country that was not controlled by the government.  Money we earn should be saved if we want it saved.  If the retail stores are having a rough year they should not increase inventory for the next year (HELLO!).  We must be aware of the media stories encouraging us to bail out the stores.  That's not our fault...we should NOT feel guilty for spending less or buying elsewhere.

Bottomline...the rebate will help, but the impact of the help is and should be left up to the person receiving the rebate.  Sorry I was on my soap box...I'm stepping down now...LOL
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clarkoz Wrote:Just my view...

The housing market:  who bought the houses?  Did someone put a gun to the homeowners' heads and force them to buy houses at variable interest rates? No.

WE (taxpayers) now are bailing out certain homeowners because they made a very poor decision and it is effecting the market.  Why don't we all receive special services if we own a home???  Just because I bought mine within budget and managed my money correctly doesn't mean I should bail out someone that was stupid enought to overspend. Next,

The tax rebate:  I believe it will stimulate the economy, but I don't buy into the "drastic decline" like the media is spinning these days.  I think Bush was handed a declining economy.  He was implementing measures to bring it back, but then 9/11 struck.  We did not go into recession like all the experts predicted.  Bush may not be the best public speaker, but he sure did keep us out of a recession then, which most people could not have done!

The tax rebate will stimulate the economy to some extent, but the people receiving the money will have to decide what and where they need to spend that money.  It should come with no strings attached...why?  Because we are (or used to be) a country that was not controlled by the government.  Money we earn should be saved if we want it saved.  If the retail stores are having a rough year they should not increase inventory for the next year (HELLO!).  We must be aware of the media stories encouraging us to bail out the stores.  That's not our fault...we should NOT feel guilty for spending less or buying elsewhere.

Bottomline...the rebate will help, but the impact of the help is and should be left up to the person receiving the rebate.  Sorry I was on my soap box...I'm stepping down now...LOL
 

 

Well said!  I am with ya! 

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