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i think it's an effing crock and a damn shame.
I also think that teachers (some, not all) can be abusive with their power. It's just too damn absolute especially when dealing with a bunch of 14 year olds. I've seen it form a multitude of angles too many times.
There was no excuse for suspending this kid.
Just like Starbucks had a rule not to give anything away, and when that store denied water to the firemen on 9/11 the store was wrong.
This is the same damn thing and it absolutely sickens me.
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Then you're much too easily upset.
This is nothing but more manufactured outrage from Fox; presented in such a way as to purposely agitate the easily swayed.
If half of the students, as reported, have a parent serving in Iraq . . . do you really imagine they don't have procedures in place for communications? Not to mention counseling services and support groups and fundraising/care package drives and all the rest of it? Of COURSE they do . . . but is any of that in Fox's coverage?
Consider the underlying a priori "verities" the coverage asks us to assume: that children of active duty servicemen are saints and blameless angels; that "stress" is an excuse for bad behavior and defiance of the rules; that the school's judgement is inferior to that of a 15 year old boy's . . .
Hell, just look at how much of that BULLSHIT you bought into in your last post, John. And bullshit it is.
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Not A Nice Person Wrote:If half of the students, as reported, have a parent serving in Iraq . . . do you really imagine they don't have procedures in place for communications? Not to mention counseling services and support groups and fundraising/care package drives and all the rest of it? Of COURSE they do . . . but is any of that in Fox's coverage?
is there a point to your half question?
And what the hell does counceling services and the other stuff you mention have to do with this? Do you mean if the kid didn't take the call and his old man was blown to bits 30 minutes later by a suicide bomber the kid could get some decent care to help offset the fact that he may have had 1 more smile from his father?
Sorry, not buying any of it.
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Nor am I buying any of your histrionic BS, lol. Drama much?
Here's an alternate scenario: the little fuckstick asks to use the restroom when his phone vibrates and answers it in there . . . just like every other high school kid! Or makes arrangements beforehand, like any responsible young adult should be capable of doing.
But N-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!!! No, he's SPECIAL. The rules don't APPLY to HIM . . . and when the consequences DO, well, let's call Fox News and tell 'em HALF the story, and a bunch of folks who weren't even there and don't have all the facts can fret and fulminate and try our case in the court of media feeding frenzy induced public opinion . . .
Yeah, that'll help. Is there a grownup in the room? [lol]
Buy it, don't buy it. Changes nothing. Not exactly the first time we've disagreed on an education issue. And boy, don't I just love having "experts" tell me how to do my job! 
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well, you seem to have degenerated to a new low.
I'm done.
I am also about as disgusted with the scenario as I was before (or worse).
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Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo Wrote:There was no excuse for suspending this kid. They didn't need an excuse. They had a fair and valid reason.[devil]
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Well, the way i think about it..... My mom always told me one thing
No matter who you are, you got to follow the rules. No one gets special treatment.
He should've gotten up and received the call outside the room
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Not A Nice Person Wrote:Hell, just look at how much of that BULLSHIT you bought into in your last post, John. And bullshit it is.
Enjoy the koolade.
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[user=35]Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo[/user] wrote: Quote:well, you seem to have degenerated to a new low.
No need to make this personal now, kids. . .
My question I guess is this, why is the Dad incapable of dialing the number to the schools office? This solves the problem completely (no cellphone use by the student, while the student still recieves the call) and the only thing anyone has to do is dial a different sequence of numbers. Takes the same amount of time and no rules are broken. How is this unreasonable?
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Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo Wrote:Just like Starbucks had a rule not to give anything away, and when that store denied water to the firemen on 9/11 the store was wrong.
This is the same damn thing and it absolutely sickens me.
Horseshoes and hand gredades, man. Starbucks is being unreasonable in this case, and I doubt the school is being as unreasonable as they are being made out to be.
Thats not the same thing at all, as I am sure the school has procedures for parent to contact students while they are in class. Every other school I have ever been to has emergency contact procedures so parents can get ahold of their children, I dont think this one was any different. I doubt the school was preventing the father from contacting his kid, it just wanted it done through the proper channels. The kid didnt go through the channels (which, like NANP said, if half the students there had parents in the Millitary, were probably very well known to the whole student body) and caught a little flack. Thats what happens. Oh well, he'll survive.
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Tfire136 Wrote:Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo[/user Wrote:wrote: [/b] Quote:[b][user=118]Not A Nice Person]Get a grip.
He answered his cell phone in class. It's against the rules. The rules are in place for a reason.
Wrapping it in the flag is NOT helpful, or even relevant.
Break the rules, face the consequences. Don't like the consequences, don't break the damn rules. His dad can't call him after school?
Let's just put the kids in charge . . . and send the message they can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they've got a reason.
Sheeeeeeesh.
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would it be ok to answer your cell phone if you got a call that your kid sister was in an accident and in the hospital?
This was a shitty thing to do. It wasn't his friend calling to ask him if the pot could be harvested yet. Something like this goes on his record? For talking to his dad that he hasn't seen in quite a while and may never see again? Tomorrow this kid's dad could be killed by an IUD or suicide bomber. Maybe his cell phone was on because his dad IS in Iraq.
Bullshit. that is effed up. Quote:I agree 100% Skip. Having been there I always expected my family to pick up the phone.....you never knew when it was going to be your last phone call. During war its not always conveinent for a soldier to call the kids after school. You make a phone call in between missions. If that does not fall into the schools schedule so be it. Texas or not that is one rule I would direct my kid to disobey. If Dad calls from Iraq you pick the phone up! With all that being said I do see your point NANP and they are all valid. Thats just how I would handle the situation.
Quote:I am with you above gentlemen. Could have been the last call his Dad ever made!! I will say Texas schools go overboard on some issues. NANP I hear you and do understand your standpoint as a teacher, but some rules are made to be broken. If it was your Dad, you had not seen or heard from in months, would you have ignored the call? I doubt it. My kids got out of high school before the real rules of stupidity went into effect on the cell phones. Had my son not had a cell (illegally) on him to use to get POLICE to his campus 2005 he might of been hurt or killed or some of his school friends, could have been, when a man with a gun was roving the halls of Lamar High in white bread surburbia Texas. Although it was against the school rules he was commended by the PD and the school for his fast thinking, and then climbing into the tuba locker in the band room and talking to me till the cops got inside where he and the lunatic both were, and the lunatic apprehended. All rules have exceptions..and should for just reasons.
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