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Wine coolerdor
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I thought I had posted this earlier but apparently not. I have read that some of you have converted wine coolers into humidors. I do not now nor will I ever drink wine so I have no clue as to what the proper temps for storage is. But if you keep your cigars at the normal 65-70 degrees, will a wine cooler operate properly?

I was going to convert a commercial glass front refridgerator but was told that it would be cost prohibitive to make all the changes it would require to modify.

Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
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#2
Ah yes... another great thead we had back in StogieChat 1.0

I hope all those smart people step up and repost thier info.
I've been wanting to do this FOREVER so having a good thread on it would be nice in the event I ever get around to doing it.


I do know that most wine coolers' MAX temp setting is 65ish or there abouts.
Just fine for stogie storage.


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#3
If the max setting is lower than you'd like, there's a brewer's thermostat thingy that's dead simple: drill a hole for the temp probe, set the temp where you want it, plug the cooler into the thermostat.  Easy.  And I bet someone else out there even has a link for it!

There are two kinds of cooling systems, and one's better than the other, because it creates fewer swings in humidity, but I can't remember which is which or how to check.

As with any 'dor, a humidification system is still needed; most folks seem to use an Oasis with these setups since you'll have it parked in front of an electrical outlet anyway.

I've been thinking about one of these myself---keeping the whole apt. cooled off just for the humidor's sake gets kind of expensive during a hot Texas summer . . . and summer here lasts about 8 months.

NANP

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#4
Thanks guys, I knew someone would have some answers. What about the Avello humification system in the wine cooler? Seems like it would work better since it has fans. Or does the cooler circulate the air satisfactorally?

NANP I know what you mean about the summer temps, being here in the Atlanta area, we only had 2 days this winter in the 30's, I have had my air on since the end of Febuary.
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#5
This is what I wrote up for the DogWatch Social Club's show last week (www.dogwatchsocialclub.com).

Most cigar smokers already know that they need to lower their humidor temperature to the low 70s but many aren't sure as to why.

Well, there are two main reasons.

1.) Ambient temperatures directly effect relative humidity levels.

2.) eeeeeekkkkk....Lasioderma serricorne (ie tobacco beetles!) but we will save this one for another show...

What does "Realtive Humidity Mean?"

First - Relative humidity IS NOT THE SAME AS absolute humidity whitch is usually expressed as grams of water vapor per cubic meter volume of air. Absolute humidity is a measure of the actual amount of water vapor (moisture) in the air, regardless of the air's temperature.

Relative humidity is defined as the ratio of the water vapor pressure to the saturation vapor pressure at the prevailing ambient temperature, expressed as a percentage.

In simpler terms, it is the measure of the amount of water vapor in the air compared to how much the air can possibly hold at that temperature.

For example, air at 20° C. can hold, at a maximum, about 17 grams of moisture per cubic meter of air. Air holding this much moisture would be considered "saturated" and would have a measure of 100% relative humidity.

If the 20° C. air becomes drier to the point where it only contains 8.5 grams of moisture per cubic meter, then the air is holding only one-half, or 50% of its total capacity. The measure of the air then would be 50% RH.

The capacity of air to hold water is heavily dependent on the temperature of the air. The warmer the air, the more moisture it can hold.

Ok, now that we understand what relative humidity is and how it is effected by ambient temperatures, how do we lower the temps?

Here are some of my suggestions through years of experience:
1.) Locate the coolest part of your dwelling (house or otherwise). Some suggestions for this location are the basement (if you have one) or other area of the house that has a concrete floor, a closest in the most ineterior room in your house. Also, under a stair case is usually a good place as well. Put a temp guage in various parts until you locate it.

2.) Don't be cheap, turn the A/C on in your house. Seriously, it has the greatest effect on the largest area. Even if it's to get from 90 degrees down to 80 or 85, it's a start.

3.) If you can't locate a place that is cool enough and don't want turn on the A/C all Summer, pick up a "THERMOELECTRIC" wine chiller. The thermoelectric part is important because these are different than the "typical" wine chiller in that they utilizes thermoelectric plate (thermoelectric technology info can be found here - http://www.coolworksinc.com/about_th...technology.htm) instead of a condensor. This is important because the condensor models tend to have HUGE RH flutations when the condensor kicks on. There are modifications that can be made to remedy this but it's easier to just get the thermoelectic and be done with it - the expense and headache of trying to do the modifications is worth the little extra money.

ANOTHER benefit to having a wine chiller is you by default, usually end up with a larger humidor....hehehe.."But honey, I HAD to get this to reduce the temperatures..."

Two well proven brands are Aventi & Haier.

You may also want to consider a custom cabinet, like a "Cooled" Avallo 2000 or Triple D (www.cigarsolutions.com). They utilize the "Accumonitor" system that simply ROCKS!

Hope this helps and sorry it was so long (believe it or not, this IS the condensed version!).

~Mark
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#6
Thanks Mark! That was a lot of good info. I'll be checking the links out shortly.
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discdog Wrote:Thanks Mark! That was a lot of good info. I'll be checking the links out shortly.

You're welcome bro [smokin3]

~Mark

BTW - I am not affiliated with any of them but I do own 2 Avallos
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[user=164]N2Advnture[/user] that was good stuff thank you.

I'd still love to hear some step by step setup processes.
Is it as easy as a thermoplate unit and a cigar oasis or two?
I've been day dreaming about doing this for a while.

I'd love to move my stogies back up to my computer room but temps wont allow it.
Right now they're all down stairs and it's a challange to keep temps in the 75 range.
once July / Aug rolls around it will be even harder.
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CigarGuy Wrote:[user=164]N2Advnture[/user] that was good stuff thank you.

I'd still love to hear some step by step setup processes.
Is it as easy as a thermoplate unit and a cigar oasis or two?
I've been day dreaming about doing this for a while.

I'd love to move my stogies back up to my computer room but temps wont allow it.
Right now they're all down stairs and it's a challange to keep temps in the 75 range.
once July / Aug rolls around it will be even harder.
I have seen units where people modified them but MAN it's a pain! (and doesn't always work very well.

I remember a post on CW from a couple of years ago that showed the steps how to mod a compressor based wine chiller to work but it looked like too much trouble for me.


~Mark
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But if you get the themoplate... what else has to be done?

 
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