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I Need some humidification options - Tonto - 12-27-2015

Okay, I need some humidification options.  The 2nd CO in my tower has now failed, so I need a new system.

This is a link to what I have:
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/humidors/38315/chancellor-antique-tower-humidor/#p-56428

By my calculations, I have about 6.93 cubic feet of storage space.

Right now, I just have a few small fans & beads going.  It is holding ok, but it needs a real system in it.

I'm on a budget, or I would have ordered already a from Bob Staebell. Cost for that system would start at $299 + 1 extra fan & shipping.

However, if I replaced my 2 Cigar Oasis plus, that cost would be $218.  This worked in the past, but I'm not sure if there is anything better, without breaking the bank or being a total over kill.

Have any of you guys had any experience with the Hydra 'LG' unit?
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/humidification/38382/hydra-lg-electronic-humidifier/

Cost of the Hydra 'LG' unit, with fan kit would be $193 + shipping.

I'd rather spend the money on cigars, but I also believe in the "buy once, cry one" saying.

So....Are there any other options out there?


RE: I Need some humidification options - Tonto - 01-02-2016

Bump...

Any ideas?


RE: I Need some humidification options - nayslayer - 01-02-2016

Meow meow


RE: I Need some humidification options - MaytagMan - 01-02-2016

Okay... first off, are you sure about your cubic feet? In the link that you posted, it show the unit as 72" x 24" x 16.5"

72 x 24 x 16.5 = 28,512 cubic inches. 28,512 / 1728 = 16.5 cubic feet.

In any case, you can go passive or active.

If you get sufficient heartfelt beads and have the fans you mentioned running, you should be able to keep it rock solid. I would divide the beads between the top, middle, and very bottom shelves, and orient the fans for proper air flow. As with any bead setup, more surface area exposure = more efficiency, so have containers that keep the beads as shallow as possible (meaning longer and wider containers are better as they allow more of the beads to be exposed to the air)

Probably about $100-125 worth of beads to really get you set. 2-2.5 lbs total.

I've had no personal experience with the Hydra nor the CO, but I did some reading, and the consensus seems to be that they both work well. The CO is said to be better built, and the Hydra's humidification adjustment is very sensitive. People with both modify their cartridges by taking the green foam out and replace it with beads. Saves having to keep replacing the cartridge. Even with those, I would still keep your fans in there to make sure that the air is circulating. Oh, and make sure you calibrate them or test them so you know how off they are so that you can account for it in where you set the unit. They can be off. Once you know the drift and account for it, you can use your digi hygros to monitor.

Best of luck!


RE: I Need some humidification options - Jimmie the Mum - 01-02-2016

Chris got something for his cabinet. I have to talk to him and have him respond here.


RE: I Need some humidification options - Tonto - 01-02-2016

(01-02-2016, 10:29 PM)MaytagMan Wrote: Okay... first off, are you sure about your cubic feet?   In the link that you posted, it show the unit as 72" x 24" x 16.5"

72 x 24 x 16.5 = 28,512 cubic inches.  28,512 / 1728 = 16.5 cubic feet.

In any case, you can go passive or active.

If you get sufficient heartfelt beads and have the fans you mentioned running, you should be able to keep it rock solid.   I would divide the beads between the top, middle, and very bottom shelves, and orient the fans for proper air flow.  As with any bead setup, more surface area exposure = more efficiency, so have containers that keep the beads as shallow as possible (meaning longer and wider containers are better as they allow more of the beads to be exposed to the air)

Probably about $100-125 worth of beads to really get you set.   2-2.5 lbs total.

I've had no personal experience with the Hydra nor the CO, but I did some reading, and the consensus seems to be that they both work well.  The CO is said to be better built, and the Hydra's humidification adjustment is very sensitive.  People with both modify their cartridges by taking the green foam out and replace it with beads. Saves having to keep replacing the cartridge.   Even with those, I would still keep your fans in there to make sure that the air is circulating.   Oh, and make sure you calibrate them or test them so you know how off they are so that you can account for it in where you set the unit.   They can be off.   Once you know the drift and account for it, you can use your digi hygros to monitor.

Best of luck!

Yeah, I'm sure of the cubic feet.  The dimensions given are overall & don't take in the height of the legs, the wall thicknesses, & the top.

The actual internal dimensions are approx 14.25" x 14.5" x 58"

I haven't much luck using just beads & fans.  I'm leaning towards one of the larger CO Magna model, but I'm worried if it's over kill.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/humidification/81324/cigar-oasis-magna-humidifier/#p-151555
It does come with 2 extra external fans.

The office of CO is actually near me, about 10 minutes away.  They usually don't sell from there.  I'm thinking of giving them a call, or maybe just stopping by to ask them a few questions.


RE: I Need some humidification options - Tonto - 01-02-2016

(01-02-2016, 11:07 PM)Jimmie the Mum Wrote: Chris got something for his cabinet. I have to talk to him and have him respond here.

That would be great Jimmie


RE: I Need some humidification options - MaytagMan - 01-03-2016

(01-02-2016, 11:34 PM)Tonto Wrote:
(01-02-2016, 10:29 PM)MaytagMan Wrote: Okay... first off, are you sure about your cubic feet?   In the link that you posted, it show the unit as 72" x 24" x 16.5"

72 x 24 x 16.5 = 28,512 cubic inches.  28,512 / 1728 = 16.5 cubic feet.

In any case, you can go passive or active.

If you get sufficient heartfelt beads and have the fans you mentioned running, you should be able to keep it rock solid.   I would divide the beads between the top, middle, and very bottom shelves, and orient the fans for proper air flow.  As with any bead setup, more surface area exposure = more efficiency, so have containers that keep the beads as shallow as possible (meaning longer and wider containers are better as they allow more of the beads to be exposed to the air)

Probably about $100-125 worth of beads to really get you set.   2-2.5 lbs total.

I've had no personal experience with the Hydra nor the CO, but I did some reading, and the consensus seems to be that they both work well.  The CO is said to be better built, and the Hydra's humidification adjustment is very sensitive.  People with both modify their cartridges by taking the green foam out and replace it with beads. Saves having to keep replacing the cartridge.   Even with those, I would still keep your fans in there to make sure that the air is circulating.   Oh, and make sure you calibrate them or test them so you know how off they are so that you can account for it in where you set the unit.   They can be off.   Once you know the drift and account for it, you can use your digi hygros to monitor.

Best of luck!

Yeah, I'm sure of the cubic feet.  The dimensions given are overall & don't take in the height of the legs, the wall thicknesses, & the top.

The actual internal dimensions are approx 14.25" x 14.5" x 58"

I haven't much luck using just beads & fans.  I'm leaning towards one of the larger CO Magna model, but I'm worried if it's over kill.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/humidification/81324/cigar-oasis-magna-humidifier/#p-151555
It does come with 2 extra external fans.

The office of CO is actually near me, about 10 minutes away.  They usually don't sell from there.  I'm thinking of giving them a call, or maybe just stopping by to ask them a few questions.

Okay, good on you.

I don't think you should worry about overkill.   If it can indeed come on when humidity is needed and then shut off, you should be fine.  And if you fill the reservoir with say 65% or 70% beads, it should really keep things in line as in theory it would distribute 65% or 70% humidity as necessary without going overboard.

I say go for it!


RE: I Need some humidification options - scott81425 - 01-07-2016

Have you talked to CO? They were great when mine failed long after the warranty had run out. I sent mine in, they sent me a replacement. I have the regular hydra. It works ok for me in the summer, when my swamper increases the humidity in the house to a normal level, but in the winter I have to put lots of cups of gel in the humidor to help it maintain. I also have to have the adjustment know turned all the way down and set it to somewhere above 80. Just to keep it at about 66-68. Also I hate how it doesn't turn on automatically. Like after a power outage or if it gets unplugged. I have to rearrange all my boxes to reach it and turn it back on. And I know when I bought it, they said it had a lifetime warranty. But now that's changed. They say it was only 1 year. Overall, I'm not entirely dissatisfied with it, it was included with my humidor (I think anyway, I don't recall purchasing it) but if I had to do it again I might pay for an upgrade.


RE: I Need some humidification options - Tonto - 01-07-2016

(01-07-2016, 06:01 PM)scott81425 Wrote: Have you talked to CO? They were great when mine failed long after the warranty had run out. I sent mine in, they sent me a replacement. I have the regular hydra. It works ok for me in the summer, when my swamper increases the humidity in the house to a normal level, but in the winter I have to put lots of cups of gel in the humidor to help it maintain. I also have to have the adjustment know turned all the way down and set it to somewhere above 80. Just to keep it at about 66-68. Also I hate how it doesn't turn on automatically. Like after a power outage or if it gets unplugged. I have to rearrange all my boxes to reach it and turn it back on. And I know when I bought it, they said it had a lifetime warranty. But now that's changed. They say it was only 1 year. Overall, I'm not entirely dissatisfied with it, it was included with my humidor (I think anyway, I don't recall purchasing it) but if I had to do it again I might pay for an upgrade.

No I haven't talked to CO recently...I did a long time ago though.  The units I have that died were about 10 years old, so I really can't complain about that.

The Cigar Oasis Magna is what I'm now leaning towards.  The prices I'm seeing are around $180 & it comes with a couple of external fans as well...I just need to figure where to mount them in the humidor to get the best results.

CO is local to me, I'll give them a call tomorrow.  Some years ago, when I did contact them with an issue, they didn't sell from their place...maybe that's changed.  I'll check.