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Way to go Baston
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They just aren't going to quit until these StupidFUCKINGassholes we keep putting in office wipe out an entire industry. Where do they think the tax loss is going to come from. Can you say underground? The entire world is following us also. We are going to wittness one of the stupidest taxbase losses in our history, one state and country at a time.

 Amazing ban info.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States

 

Boston





NO MORE BOSTON CIGAR BARS









"NO MORE BOSTON CIGAR BARSPlus: tasting and grading the new Curivari Cigars group of blends

Los Angeles, December 12 – The Boston Health Commission unanimously passed new, anti-smoking regulations which will eventually mean the end of cigar bars in the city.

Despite receiving hundreds of messages against the regulations and especially against the closure of cigar bars – where minors are not allowed and where patrons understand full well the atmosphere will contain cigar smoke – the Commission’s only reprieve was to change the sunset period for cigar (and hookah) bars from five years to 10. After that, any of the six cigar bars or five hookah bars still operating in the city may apply to the Commission for an extension of an additional ten years, which will be granted or denied based on the evidence of harm from secondhand smoke at that time.

Importantly, however, no new cigar bars may be opened; in fact, the new regulations state “The operation of a smoking bar is prohibited in the City of Boston.” And for those six existing cigar bars, the exemption will not apply to any of the existing business if the permit is transferred from the current ownership, making these business essentially unsalable. Moreover, the exemption language requires them not to allow persons under 18 to enter plus a rather humiliating requirement that each establishment must post signs “warning patrons of the dangers of environmental smoke in the manner and form specified by the Executive Director at all entrances and on all menus.”

The Commission also banned the sale of tobacco products from pharmacies and colleges in the city, prohibited the sale of “blunt wraps” completely and prohibited smoking in the outdoor areas of bars and restaurants.

Retail tobacco shops were completely exempted from these regulations and will end up being the only public venue for cigar smoking other than the six cigar bars. The new rules apply immediately, but enforcement is expected to begin in 60 days.

A strong effort against these regulations was made, especially by cigar smokers, including help from the newly-organized Cigar Rights of America organization. But the Public Health Commission did the absolute least it could to respond to the public’s view. Harold Cox, a Commission member who is also an associate dean at the Boston University School of Public Health, told the Boston Globe, “Cigarettes are bad, they’re harmful to people, there’s a need for us to change the social norms around cigarettes. Our responsibility as governmental officials is to protect people.” For Cox and the Commission, the differences between cigarettes and cigars seems to have escaped them.

Look for cigar smokers to escape Boston and find other, more accommodating municipalities nearby.


Cali

 






 

DALLAS SMOKING BAN EXPANDED
Boston smoking ban vote today; Festival del Habano schedule unveiled

Los Angeles, December 11 – After months of heated hearings, the Dallas City Council voted 10-5 to expand the city’s smoking ban originally passed in 2003. The new rules, expected to go into affect on April 10, 2009, will end smoking in bars and billiard halls and within 15 feet of the public entrances to most buildings.

Essentially, all workplaces in Dallas are now non-smoking.

The new rules exempt tobacco shops and cigar bars, but even those exemptions were limited. The expanded ordinance, as written, allows smoking in tobacco shops but allows smoking only in existing cigar bars (as of December 10, 2008), closing the opportunity for the opening of new facilities in the future. Moreover, the exemption will vanish if an existing cigar bar “is expanded, relocated, or changes majority ownership,” meaning there will likely be no cigar bars in Dallas in 10-20 years. The cigar-bar definition was also revised by an amendment, which defined a “cigar bar” as a facility which receives a minimum of 15% of its gross revenues (on a quarterly basis) from the sales of tobacco products and related items used for the consumption of tobacco on-site.

The tobacco shop exemption is not limited to existing facilities, but is defined as an establishment which receives “90 percent or more of its gross revenue on a quarterly (three-month) basis from the sale of tobacco, tobacco products or smoking implements.” Smoking is allowed in tobacco shops, but it must keep “all windows and doors closed at all times except as reasonably necessary for the expeditious entering and exiting of the tobacco shop” and “does not open into any other indoor or enclosed area in which smoking is prohibited under this section.”

The vote came after almost four hours of discussion. A total of 11 amendments were requested with only one passing (lowering the cigar bar revenue threshold from 20% to 15%) and then a 10-5 final vote. The estimated cost to enforce the measure is $271,000 annually.

Among the amendments that failed in a close vote was banning smoking in vehicles where a minor was present, signaling that this might come back for a future vote. However, there was no discussion about banning smoking outdoors, as has been discussed in Boston and Los Angeles for outdoor dining areas of restaurants.

A significant campaign against the smoking ban expansion was organized, notably by Jim Fox and his Up in Smoke stores in the Dallas area. The push-back against the ordinance during the hearings and Council discussions undoubtedly had an impact in narrowing the scope of the final language of the measure.

A companion measure on the agenda Wednesday was an ordinance to prohibit the sales of individual cigars or cigars in packages of less than five, except in the ordinary course of business at a tobacco shop or in a business establishment which is generally not accessible to minors. Aimed at curtailing the use of inexpensive, machine-made cigars as the shells for marijuana cigars, this item was tabled for future discussion in January.

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We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

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LIBERALISM!!!
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Taf, the more I read about this stuff the more I know i will spend whatever it takes to buy a good chunk of land somewhere to do whatever in the [curse] I want!  It's a sad day when the place of the tea party allows this to happen.Sad
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US_Tank Wrote:LIBERALISM!!!
Tank, don't confuse the issue.  This didn't happen because of one party or the other.  this is due to the anti-smoking establishment.  Pure and simple!  There's both liberal and conservative idiots supporting this cause!
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macallan2 Wrote:
US_Tank Wrote:LIBERALISM!!!
Tank, don't confuse the issue.  This didn't happen because of one party or the other.  this is due to the anti-smoking establishment.  Pure and simple!  There's both liberal and conservative idiots supporting this cause!

Thats a fact. Remember this AHOLE who had a smoking tent for his victory party and voted YES on the chips. Lets not forget Obama and his statement on chips too.

I wonder if he inhaled?

[Image: obama-smoking.png]

Obama Statement on SCHIP Vote
Chicago, IL | October 18, 2007
Chicago, IL -- U.S. Senator Barack Obama today released the following statement on the failed SCHIP Vote in the U.S. House of Representatives.


"Four million American children were denied basic health coverage today because Washington politicians failed to stand up to this President's disgraceful veto. At a time when we're spending billions of dollars on a war that never should've been authorized and giving billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans, Washington's failure shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans.



When I am President, I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term that will cover every American and cut costs more dramatically than any other plan offered by a candidate in this race. And I'll do it by bringing Republicans and Democrats together, like I did when I expanded health care for an additional 150,000 children and their parents as an Illinois state Senator."


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We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

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macallan2 Wrote:
US_Tank Wrote:LIBERALISM!!!
Tank, don't confuse the issue.  This didn't happen because of one party or the other.  this is due to the anti-smoking establishment.  Pure and simple!  There's both liberal and conservative idiots supporting this cause!

 

This is not about parties.   This is not about Republican or Democrat.  Although one party tends to be more Liberal than another. 

Liberalism by definition seeks to control and regulate in order to enact whatever it believes, for the good of everybody.   They believe in empowerment of the government to enact whatever cause it so desires whether it be smoking, guns, transfat, etc.

A Conservative like myself believes in empowerment of the individual.   We have a right to make a choice whether or not we want to open a cigar bar.   A non smoker has the right whether or not to choose to go to a cigar bar.

Basically, when individual rights are infringed upon by a polititian, government entity or group, this is by definition Liberalism.

Now with that said I highly doubt that a true Conservative would go for this law.   That does not mean a Republican did not vote for this though as many Republicans are blue blood Libs.  Especially East Coast Republicans.

However many Libs don't like the term "Liberals" now so their new term is "Progressives". 
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Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
-Ronald Reagan
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the sky is falling[doh]
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madurodave Wrote:the sky is falling[doh]

 

Why don't you shut up!   You might shoot your eye out!   [lol]
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madurodave Wrote:the sky is falling[doh]
[lol]


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