The Trus Story of Che Guevara

[Rob The Long Island Cowboy]

with all due respect for everyone's opinions here...

i tend to side with the cuban survivors of the political prisons who witnessed che executing family members in front of each other. no ends can justify that means.

the man was an animal.  doesn't take balls to put a gun to an unarmed man.  it's an act of cowardice in any language.  but then again every lunatic kills in the name of some utopian nirvana whose deity speaks only to him. 

like frank zappa said nostalgia is history with the rust spots painted over.  it's a shame that we've forgotten or are ignorant of so much of history that we can celebrate folks such as this because some pop "artist" immortalized them in print without consideration of their atrocities.  this is why we have the robert mapplethorpe's of the world today.  how can we recoil in horror at some asshole jumping off the roof of a building in some perverted twisted performance art homage to the tragedies of september 11th when we celebrate butchers. 

i'm sorry to offend but this is why i go bonkers when high schools teach amorphous "global studies" that inevitably focus on fringe societies instead of mainstream history.  a few more generations and the atrocities of men such as stalin, hitler, and mussollini will be erased from our collective consciousnesses the way things are going.  

[Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo]

but he was a paradox. No less an animal. His idelas were pure. He simply had no heart.

To set an example, in the early phase of castros reign, Che would work an 80 hour week, then go outside and work 4 to 5 hours per day every day side by side with construction workings trying to clean up the city which was in shambles from the fighting. Then he would work weekends too. Often his schedule would not allow him to go home and he would stay at work for months at a time sleeping in his office. Also, he never allowed his family or himself to have any of the spoils of the office. His wife road the bus as did he (the same wasn't true for Castro).

Now don't get me wrong. I in no way forgot the cold blooded animal he was. He loved killing. He enjoyed pain. It was said the worse thing a soldier in his command could do is complain about a toothe ache. He would simply pull a knife and dig out the offending tooth with no anestetic or prep. And this was far form his worse.

[Bungalowbill]

[user=44]Rob The Long Island Cowboy[/user] wrote:

with all due respect for everyone's opinions here...

i tend to side with the cuban survivors of the political prisons who witnessed che executing family members in front of each other. no ends can justify that means.

like frank zappa said nostalgia is history with the rust spots painted over. 

i love that.

[Bungalowbill]

[user=35]Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo[/user] wrote:

but he was a paradox. No less an animal. His idelas were pure. He simply had no heart.

To set an example, in the early phase of castros reign, Che would work an 80 hour week, then go outside and work 4 to 5 hours per day every day side by side with construction workings trying to clean up the city which was in shambles from the fighting. Then he would work weekends too. Often his schedule would not allow him to go home and he would stay at work for months at a time sleeping in his office. Also, he never allowed his family or himself to have any of the spoils of the office. His wife road the bus as did he (the same wasn't true for Castro).

Now don't get me wrong. I in no way forgot the cold blooded animal he was. He loved killing. He enjoyed pain. It was said the worse thing a soldier in his command could do is complain about a toothe ache. He would simply pull a knife and dig out the offending tooth with no anestetic or prep. And this was far form his worse.

good points here, skip. humans are awfully tough to fathom at times. i do believe most people (including myself) focus in on one aspect, or a set of deeds, instead of accounting for a whole life. in a sense, it's the only practical way to go. if we all took everything into account all the time nothing would get done. some folks look at the ideals che stood for and worship that. others look at his eccentricites (a kind word for it, i know) and condemnation ensues.

i remember a feminist (in a college course) who refused to accept any lectures on a certain sociologist because he made some blantant sexist statements. on the other hand he came up with some brilliant theories. so do you discount everything? or cherrypick what you like?

i don't pretend to have an answer. i suppose it's up to the individual to draw their own lines in the sand. my own lines regarding el che are drawn when he slaughtered the opposition for thoughts and speech. i see good and bad, and it seems to me the weight falls on the bad side. which is not to deny good intentions or works. but if santa claus suddenly starts mowing families down, you have to take him out, no matter what he's done in the past.

[sergione]

i tend to side with the cuban survivors of the political prisons who witnessed che executing family members in front of each other. no ends can justify that means.

 

I guess we all will have to say that we dont mean to offend and I dont either

I tend to side with the Cubans that stayed in Cuba and didnt jump the boat cause they knew they will have to give up their possessions. When Castro began rambling about nationalizing all of the land and  so on those wealthy ppl, along with all those who had education and had anything to offer to making Cuba better than the crap-hole Baptista had it, they said F Cuba and left. Thats why I side with Castro, cause he rebuilt Cuba, even though he had to start from scratch, and now if you want to be a Doc you could and Cubans get what they need. But there is were I pull away from this socialist thinking cause it doesnt work and ppl will always want more, thats just we are.......but thats castro

Che was a mad man, and is responsible for many deaths, but show me an person in office who wasnt responsible for crimes against humanity, We as a ppl are doomed if we think that murder is ok only if congress approves it.


Things will change though, and pretty soon the people of cuba will be free and liberated like us,with all the Mc Donalds they want.
 

[ColbyPants]

One countries Socialist Guerilla, is anothers peoples only hope.

  Well Said.

I really dont have an opinion regarding Che, as I am underinformed.  But I do have opinions regarding say, the IRA, that probably wouldnt fly in mixed company, and so I can understand why Serg here might.

TomC

[Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo]

i don't pretend to have an answer. i suppose it's up to the individual to draw their own lines in the sand. my own lines regarding el che are drawn when he slaughtered the opposition for thoughts and speech. i see good and bad, and it seems to me the weight falls on the bad side. which is not to deny good intentions or works. but if santa claus suddenly starts mowing families down, you have to take him out, no matter what he's done in the past.

Just so there is no confusion, this is my line as well. I do not admire anything he did. I only pretend to understand why some may idolize him.

[Rob The Long Island Cowboy]

we must never forget that how we go about doing something is equally as important as what we set out to do.