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- Admin - 10-15-2007
Videos from the Ohio Demonstration October 9, 2007 at the Statehouse:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=19759796
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=19760515
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=19760747
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=19761383
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=19761451
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=19761610
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=19761757
- ColbyPants - 10-15-2007
go get em OHIO! Tell 'em how it really is!
TomC
- JoeBob - 10-15-2007
One of my favorite drinking bars shut down this weekend, owner blames the smoking ban.
1 of many to come....
- ColbyPants - 10-15-2007
JoeBob Wrote:One of my favorite drinking bars shut down this weekend, owner blames the smoking ban.
1 of many to come....
toledo is becoming a wasteland because of this. I can think of almost a dozen places between Bryan and Maumee that are dead or almost dead. I like how the state can legislate someone out of their livelihood.
TomC
- Rob The Long Island Cowboy - 10-15-2007
no disrespect to the subject matter and sorry for the threadjack but i've always been amazed by protests. shouldn't these people be at work?
- tafdom - 10-15-2007
There working for our rights. Tennessee just got hit with the same think, NO Smoking. Is your state next? I hope not. We have to fight for this, or just lay down. Not me.
- Admin - 10-15-2007
Rob The Long Island Cowboy Wrote:no disrespect to the subject matter and sorry for the threadjack but i've always been amazed by protests. shouldn't these people be at work?In one of the videos there is a comment that they have to be "out of there by 1pm" (I think was the time). I wonder what that was about?
Since when are you forced to leave when you march/rally at a state building? I didn't see any violence. Strange to have a time-slot to complain...of course nobody from the state building to speak because they happened to all be in caucus.
I also liked the fact that the one gentleman clearly pointed out the the press that NOBODY from the press has done any investigation work on the truth behind the bans and taxes. Just like now with the proposed tax hike on tobacco for the SCHIP program... why is that not a story anywhere? But CNN will talk all day about some lady who gave away her Mustang (car) to a guy who found her lost dog. WTF?
I sometimes wonder if we are going about this all the wrong way. Afterall, the politicians are not going to do anything we really want...its politics. What drives politics is the media. Maybe we all need to start emailing, calling and faxing CNN, FOX, and CBS news to do a story on the proposed tax before its too late!
- ColbyPants - 10-15-2007
Rob The Long Island Cowboy Wrote:no disrespect to the subject matter and sorry for the threadjack but i've always been amazed by protests. shouldn't these people be at work?
Thats the kind of sentiment that has killed the usefulness of the protest. Its one of the few constitutional ways for the average man to legally express displeasure at government action (voting for who you think will do right sure doesnt work as they only think of themselves). Guess we should all sit back as they prohibit smoking (and take our other rights away as well) completely.
TomC
- Skipper the cigar aFISHinodo - 10-16-2007
i no way support this ban, but really, the ban has been in place for a few years in NY and no one had to shut their doors here. In fact I have heard that while some establishments have lost some business (& it eventually picked up) & others boatsed an increase.
Why is Ohio so different?
- Rob The Long Island Cowboy - 10-16-2007
ColbyPants Wrote:Rob The Long Island Cowboy Wrote:no disrespect to the subject matter and sorry for the threadjack but i've always been amazed by protests. shouldn't these people be at work?
Thats the kind of sentiment that has killed the usefulness of the protest. Its one of the few constitutional ways for the average man to legally express displeasure at government action (voting for who you think will do right sure doesnt work as they only think of themselves). Guess we should all sit back as they prohibit smoking (and take our other rights away as well) completely.
TomC
tom i love your optimism and penchance for overstatement but i couldn't disagree with you any more completely. First the constitution doesn't exist to protect your rights. It exists to protect other's stuff from us. Namely this is ours and yuo can;t have it for this, this, and this legal reason. All b/s. To whit: there are two methods of maintaining control and order: "leadership" has the guns and the people don't (see most third world dictatorships / oligarchies) and financial / legal control: see most of the first world. Read: financial feudalism.
they allow people to dance and strut in the streets because no one cares. if it truly got close to home they would disband your protest in a number of manners, all of them "legal". be it your lack of a permit, exceeding the maximum occupancy of an area, block a firelane, etc. read up on any protest of value and you'll see how it was disbanded. in addition when acceptable (read plausable saleability to the general public via the media) they will not hesitate to blast you out of there with a firehose if need be. it has been done. they will suspend your leagal rights for some quasi-fabricated reason. see abbey hoffman. duct taped at his own trial. bottom line is that it's not me making a protest impotent by saying meh. it's the government saying meh by not breaking it up.
next point. the protesters. there is a small contingent who are honest people who believe it what they stand for. the rest are abercrombie and fitch hang-ons who either a.) want to look cool because they just read kerouc or something eddie vedder told them to do b.) are trying to score with some chick by showing they're all environmentally, financially, morally or whatever concerned or c.) they're looking for something to do and lastly d.) the fun ones who are looking to score a free joint. the rest of us do have a conscience and do care. unfortunately if i don't go to work i will lose my job. if i lose my job the horseshit overpriced worthless insurance policy i have will lapse. then the next time my wife needs emergency room services she'll have to wait behind every piece of trash with gang related gunshot wounds, stabbings, those looking for prescription drugs to feed a fix, or those looking for attention. oh wait. we wait behind them anyway. but that's another story.
bottom line is this protests do shit no matter how righteous they might be. see tianeman square. how'd that turn out? you can shoot a man in the street and the world will forget. and before you all say but that's china do your history and look up kent state. this is not to say that the pursuit is not noble. but real change requires a dedication not shared by most. how many would abandon their homes, families, lifestyles to pursue a life of change? sleep on a dirt bed for months, years, fighting the fight? give up everything for a cause. this is the struggle that goes on in true revolutions not protests dictated from the pages of rolling stone.
now as to eric's point. i believe you are on the mark. the game is theirs. the ball is theirs. change the rules and they'll take the ball and go home. however they deal in money. and money can be their undoing. the trick is to form / fund a pac for the cigar community. the patels, fuentes, padrons, olivas, gomez, etc. need to form their own consortium for the purpose of defending the cigar market against these policies. the pac group then finds it's own medical team who will testify how it wants, it's own lawyers who will defend cases how it wants, and finally it's own politicians who will vote for and against legislation in it's best interests. as this group grows financially it can then attract bigger and more influential politocos as funding allows because come campaign time every coffer needs a friend. distance yourself from cigarettes. cozy up to the wine markets, the liquor markets, the fine car and watch markets. extend the product as a lavish product for the upscale individual who is only enjoying the just deserves of his labors and we all love hard workers. seel the image. think it's crazy? phillip morris and everyone else has been doing it for years. see thank you for smoking.
don't read DO NOT go direct to the media. the media is out to sell cable subscriptions and magazines not the truth. they cannot be counted on to report accurately or how you present it. they will seel you down the river for a ratings point. HOWEVER if they report on the activities of your pac your pac will have the influence in the private sector to influence the media station by influencing their life blood: their advertising dollar.
bottom line here is a protest is at it's core appealing to man's rational side. rationality left two with cain and able. the world deals in blood and dollars. i'm not looking to die for any man's cause so i'll look to manipulate the dollars to my benefit. so should everyone. see famous amos. the diamond district. i can go on. you can't stop certain people from hating you or blaming you for their ills or taking away your things for your own good or their own benefit BUT you can control them and eliminate their threat throught the strategic divestiture of capital. the system exists to separate us all and get us blaming eachother so that we don't all unite together to protect ourselves from them. bottom line is that to in fact protect ourselves we must stand as one and manipulate the game to our advantages. don't complain about the game. don't cry that's it's un fair or unjust. find the thread and then pull it bringing down the house.
and i'd still vote for you in a heartbeat tomzo. i think you're one of the last true untainted hearts. good show sir.
however if you should be interested i'll drop you a line with the date and time of the next protest my father will be attending.